J-Rho's '67 Camaro Z28 STX build Jason Rhoades builds a 1967 Camaro Z28 clone for SCCA STX autocross

30Mar/150

SD Tour and ET Pro 2015

The Tour went poorly!  Could have been worse, but a lot went wrong.  As the car's first event in STR trim I knew not to expect too much - I think a lot of people have results like that early on with their projects and get discouraged. Gotta keep looking up!

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Speaking of up, decided to raise the rear of the car after the Tour.  The exhaust scraped over everything-

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Raised it one turn, and upped spring rate from 650 to 700.  The car felt a little too soft in the rear, and some of the handling problems I'd been experiencing were based on understeer.  Curiously the rear bar had become disconnected on one end, must not have tightened that endlink nut enough - oops!!  Hooked it back up at full soft.  With 650's the car was "cushy", 700's is still a good ride, but no longer what I'd call cushy - hopefully the car can be made to work well at this rate, suspect it will get less comfortable as rates go up from here.

Took Friday before the Pro off work to get some things done with the car.  Started in the morning with a proper alignment at Clarence Brown in San Diego.

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The crew there helped me out.  Left there with -2.5 camber rear and 1/8" toe in (had been ~-2 camber and zero toe) and -4 camber front with 1/16" toe out (had been -3.5 and zero toe).  Caster is about 5.5 degrees, wish it was more.

From there, up to Long Beach to see Shawn Church - Church Automotive Testing.  Hadn't been there in years (the SM build on the 240sx in 2007!), but glad to see he and his business doing so well.  Shawn started out mostly with Hondas but the popularity of tuning Evos, Subarus, Nissans, and lately the domestics, has increased demand for his services tremendously.

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Tuning session was quick and went well.  The process produced a solid gain through the midrange and a bunch over 6700 or so.  The factory program went really rich up there; by flattening the AFR to just under 13.0, the car saw a huge jump in top-end power, moving peak up to 7350 rpm.

Redline was raised from 7500 to 7700rpm, another 1.5mph or so of top speed in second.

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Which would come in handy at the Pro, where I'd end up hitting the limiter just once or twice.

Car was much better at the Pro, largely due to a change to the new Bridgestone RE71R tires.  They are a significant step up in capability from the Hankook RS3V2, especially in their longitudinal grip (braking/accel).  The Z's handling was much improved also, though there's still a bit to do there.

Saturday the event ran behind and heat 3 was in impound for over an hour and a half.

If you're going to be in the Impound of Eternity, it could be in a worse place than So Cal-

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Had a chance to weigh the car after Saturday afternoon's runs-

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Not quite where I was hoping it'd be, but not far off.  Have 20lb. lighter front brake rotors (10 per side) and am now looking at headers.  So the car should ultimately get down under 3200, with a little less than 900 average on the front corners. 2 seats, extensive use of composites plus aluminum hood, doors, v6 engine...and it's 230 pounds heavier than that all steel and cast iron, 4-seat V8 Camaro.  Similar balance too, heh.

Even with all that weight, the skinny 245-width Bridgestones help up quite well.  Couldn't get 255's in time, but that was ok, these were still a huge step forward.

 

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It's funny - before these tires, I'd felt the car made enough power, as I could spin them in second gear pretty much any time.  Now with the Bridgestones, get the feeling another 20-30hp would be completely welcome. 🙂

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Ended up second at the Pro, pleased with the result, considering I ended up only about a half second off the winner Nick Bjoin, who won the Pro Finale the year before.  Especially when the data shows you left .6 seconds in one corner in the run you had to stand on 🙂

It was a good course for the car, but the result was encouraging enough (and the car so much fun!), will be proceeding with some of the phase 2 elements of the build this year.

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17Feb/150

370z first runs in STR

Ran a local practice on the west lot of San Diego's main autocross venue, Qualcomm stadium. First the video:

Overall it was a good day. As a driver there was a tremendous amount of rust to shake off, plus the challenge of basically a brand new car with a whole new setup, and not having driven on this (deteriorated asphalt) surface hardly at all in years. Dropped a second from run 1 -> 2, then stayed pretty flat time-wise for the next 6 or so runs, but finally broke through on the last couple with another 1.5 seconds. There weren't any other top prep cars in the group to compare to, but had there been, suspect I'd have been about 1 second off the pace. The video is of my last run, which still had lots of big misses, but starts to show what the car can do.

How did the mods work?
Oil Cooler: Indicated temps were in the mid 90's throughout the session (yay San Diego "winters"!) but the oil temp stayed in check. I took 9 runs all about 10 minutes apart. Leaving with temp around 180, would come back in with it around 220, but it'd be back to 180-ish by the time the next run started. Kept the car idling with hood open and fans on between runs. By the end of the session it was only dropping to 190-ish before the next run, but still not really going over 220.

Wheels/tires: No rubbing, and grip was acceptable. Overall I was running too high of pressures for the surface, and kept having to lower and lower. Think I ended up at 36F, 32R, and still wasn't getting the tire to roll all the way over. Some of that is the low grip asphalt, may need to go with higher pressures on grippier surfaces.

Suspension/handing: Surprisingly the initial handling balance was quite good. I didn't adjust shocks or bars or anything all day, to give myself a chance to learn the car's behavior, and find base tire pressures. What I found in the later runs where time was dropping, was that I had to be making inputs very early - early braking, early turn-in, early turn-out. Despite the much more racy spring rates and dampers, the soft-sidewall'd tires underneath it all still don't provide the response of a good DOT R-tire. These tires require a much more gentle ramp-up to their limits to keep from shooting over. The mid-corner balance seems good, and exit is good, but there's a little push on entry, and I'm not thrilled with the way the car feels in transitions - but haven't put my finger on root cause yet. Might try softening front bump damping a little.

For the Z crowd, this is my initial setup:
FRONT
1100lb. springs
Custom Koni 30 series at 8/13 clicks of bump (13 = full stiff) and 1.5/2.5 turns of rebound (2.5 = full stiff)
Hotchkis non-adjustable front swaybar
Approx -4 degrees camber, zero toe
36 psi on 255/35-18 Hankook RS3v2 on 18x9 wheel

REAR
650lb. springs (stock location, not coilover)
Custom Koni 30 series at 3/13 clicks of bump (13 = full stiff) and 3/9 "sweeps" of rebound (9 = full stiff)
Hotchkis adjustable rear swaybar on full soft
Approx -2 degrees camber, zero toe
32 psi on 255/35-18 Hankook RS3v2 on 18x9 wheel

Shock damping curves were provided in an earlier post.

Engine/Power Car ran strong. Still haven't had it dyno tuned yet, based on others' experiences there's a lot on the table in a tune. Gearing is a lot shorter, acceleration is lively enough to be entertaining. Exhaust gets pretty loud at high RPM and throttle openings, car blew 92.0db on the best run past the meter. If it's cold/foggy out for other SD events, may have a problem with sound. Should be fine elsewhere though.

One place where the tune interacts with the handling is in the realm of lift-throttle behavior. Whether it's for emissions or a byproduct of Nissan's VVEL (throttle butterflies are almost always wide open) - or both - the car hesitates to cut power when you lift the throttle suddenly. It's maybe only a half second or so, but the delay is there, and at the pace things happen in an autocross run, it could be contributing to some of what I'm not liking about how the car enters transitions. For a left-foot-braker it may not be as noticeable, but for right-foot-only me, there may be room to increase handling consistency by having engine braking more closely follow pedal position.

Quaife diff - no problems with inside wheelspin here. Based on the handling and power-on/off characteristics of the car, I'm happy with the choice. Haven't really done much in the way of diff mods before, and it was interesting to feel how it changed the behavior of the car - on course and on the street.

Seat/Interior The seat held me in great, and the position is nice and low which I like. There is one problem however - it's hard to see out! Between the wide base of the driver's side A-pillar, and the big side view mirror tucked right next to it, it is very difficult to see cones approaching from the left where the radius dictates a speed of 30-40mph. Above that speed you can see them coming through the windshield, and below you can see them out the side. In the video you'll see me lean forward and move around trying to find the cones in a couple left-handers. I also tend to miss those left-hand apexes the most. Had this problem with the stock seat too so I don't think it's a height thing, so much as where I sit fore/aft. I tend to sit further back than most people my height, may have to try sitting a bunch closer... or just get used to it.

Next event will probably be the SD Tour in about a month...should have it tuned and aligned by then, but it was "close enough" probably won't change much beyond maybe that slight shock tweak.

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15Feb/150

First event in STR trim

Will do a writeup when I have a chance, for now just a photo taken when arriving at Qualcomm. Taken with a cellphone in harsh light, touching it up so you can see the car makes it look HDR-ish...
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8Feb/150

First drive in STR trim

Did a lightweight "toe-only" alignment last night with the car down at its initial ride heights. With the rear eccentrics all maxed for minimum camber and toe, the rear toe was exactly zero, perfect. I don't have the tools to do a proper camber measurement, but it looks to be in the -2 to -2.5 degree range.

The front had moved to about 1/4" toe out with the lowering, roughly one turn of each adjuster brought it to zero. Again didn't measure camber but it should be around -4. Even with its double wishbone suspension, the car needs a lot of static negative to work well. At least, the Z33's (350z's) do...sure wouldn't mind it if I find the car can work with less. Some of these silly camber numbers are driven by the soft-sidewall street tires used in the Street Touring category. While their rubber tread compounds are very advanced providing fantastic helpings of dry grip, life, and wet weather ability - sidewall construction hasn't made the same strides.

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Of note, the rear toe measurements indicated 74.5" width - pretty wide. There's room to go inboard 2" per side, but I hate the "sunken battleship" look. By some good fortune, these wheels worked out great, their offsets are right where I'd want them, using only the adapting spacer need to make these Camaro bolt pattern wheels fit the Z. For comparison, the Viper was about 77" and a stock C5 Z06 is about 74".

The front measurement was 74 7/8" - a touch wider. With equivalent camber they'd probably be equal. The car looks soo wide in the rear, but is just as big in front.

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Drove the car to work today, its maiden voyage in this initial STR trim.

On cold startup it's pretty loud at high idle, but settles down within a few seconds. Thankfully it is not loud once settled down, and around town at part throttle. Above half throttle, it really starts to get noisy though. Doesn't sound much like the "Chewbacca" of the Z33's from inside, not sure how it sounds outside. I'm a little worried about San Diego's 92db limit, guess we'll see how it goes.

With the big oil cooler, it took a long time for the oil to get up to temp. Coolant was up to its normal spot before oil temp came off the peg (@140 degrees). That's with the thermostatic oil cooler sandwich plate.

Car rode comfy and smooth even with the big spring rates and wasn't really any louder inside at light throttle. There's a little bit more mechanical noise/feeling with the rear subframe and diff being locked in so well, but it's really not bad.

The only problem - it scraped EVERYWHERE! Could not believe how low it ended up. If you've ever seen a hardcore autocrosser driving around the paddock with a hardcore splitter scraping over everything...that's what this car is doing with its factory front air dam pieces. The little air deflectors in front of the front tires are 1.25" inches above the ground. 🙂

A lot of that comes from the wheels/tires - these are over 1.5" shorter than stock. That means .75" less ground clearance, and .75" extra fender gap. There are big advantages in gearing, CG, unsprung weight, but there's an inability to go over speedbumps that comes with those advantages.

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If I end up looking at other wheels/tires, I might consider something taller (like 19's) if need be. The short gearing means the car will be revving higher and when it gets tuned it should still be good for mid 60's in 2nd...but I don't want to be revving it that high any more than I have to.

Signed up for a practice Saturday, will try to get it dyno tuned before then.

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8Feb/150

Springs and shocks

Springs and shocks arrived recently from ProParts USA.  When putting together a suspension the actual shocks and springs are just a part of what's needed.  You want to take a look at how they connect at either end, and take advantage of any improvements possible.

ProParts built a nice set of custom aluminum top hats for the front and rears.  Gone are multiple rubber elements, replaced by spherical bearings.  The front shock lower mount is also a spherical.

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One disadvantage of the Koni 30 series is how Bump adjusts.  You have to push this button with the shock fully extended, and "click" it through its range.

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In the rear it's not too bad actually, as the spring is separate.  The front will be trickier with the spring in place.

So I put things together with some spring lengths based off what I'd seen on the always-right Internet.  6" front and rear.  Of course there is huge variation in this stuff, and 6" ended up being quite a bit short at both ends.

Here's how the car looked with the adjusters at max height front,and about the midpoint rear, with 6" springs:

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Heh, yeah, a bit too low.  At this height the front upper control arm is resting on the chassis, and the exhaust is about 1" undergound (if the car weren't up on dollies).

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The above is one I took while the car was like that.  Good news is the bump stop was still about 1/4" away from making contact.  Yay!  🙂

Based on the path the exhaust takes, I think there's ~1" of extra ground clearance to gain by tucking the tubing up closer to those bracing pieces.

The rear spring motion ratio is fairly "soft" on the Z.  As best I can measure, the spring is centered a little bit over 10" out on ~17.5" long arm.

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Fortunately the shock mounts all the way out at the knuckle, providing great chassis and wheel control.

My approach in springing the Z initially is to go a little stiffer in the front, and a little softer in the rear, compared to the fast 350Z's that are out there - specifically Brian Peters.  My thinking is the 370 should be making a bit more power than the 350's.  I want to give the car the best chance it can have of putting it down, especially at a ProSolo.  Most of the other fast Z drivers have abandoned the rear swaybar, but I'll be keeping one (the Hotchkis piece with lots of adjustments) on there for now.

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A week or so after I realized the 6"ers were too short, Jeff had Hyperco deliver a fresh box of longer coils to get the ride height out of the weeds.

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27Jan/150

STR Interior

Not a lot to do here, but it's done.  Upgraded to "how it shoulda left the factory" spec.

Driver's seat is a Recaro Pole Position.  The stock unit isn't terrible but lacks lateral support.  There are lots of good "race seats" out there offering even more lateral support than the Pole Position, but getting in and out of them sucks!  This one is shaped about like the Cobra Imola, a good compromise.

Stock shift knob swapped out for a Tomei Duracon.  And a little bit of GT-R with the red start button.  Seriously, who uses a white start button? 😉

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22Jan/150

370z Koni 3011 shock dynos

Here's the dynos from the Koni 3011 shocks I'm having built for the car.

This is my first set of Koni 30 series.  I've had a couple sets of Koni "yellows", and a few sets of their high-end 28-series, these are somewhere in the middle.  About 2x the cost of a set of custom revalved yellows, but about half the cost of the 28 series.

Their big downside compared to the 28's, is they aren't able to produce the nice sharp digressive "knee" at low speed.  Also, adjusting bump damping means unbolting one end of the shock, compressing, and rotating it - hardly something you can do when pressed for time.

Still, ProParts was able to produce some quality curves providing a really wide adjustment range centered around where I "think" I want things, in the 2-3in/sec velocity area we tend to operate in most.  The wide adjustment range of the 30 series is one of their strong suits.

It's kinda funny as I remember the 30 series were really popular when I started autocrossing in the early 2000's; they were all the rage on Honda-Tech.  You don't hear much about them these days but given their racing pedigree, the assortment of qualified builders/tuners, and their competitive price point, they are still a strong choice for those looking for a good street/track compromise shock.

Fronts.  The blue line is one of the standard valvings, the teal and purple is what I had ProParts do.

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Rear.  I am paranoid this car won't want to put power down at all with the little 255's out back so I was adamant about having very soft "floors" to the adjustment range of rebound and especially bump.

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On the subject of shocks I have some thoughts I'll work on putting together in a "Page" on this site at some point.  I'm not really an expert in the field but there are some extremely common misconceptions surrounding the interaction of shocks with load transfer and visible suspension displacement that I may be able to dispel for my fellow amateur racers.

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22Jan/150

One more pic

Rear end put back in, minus the suspension.  The gray powdercoat on the adjustable Hotchkis rear bar pretty much matches the darker gray used on most of these components.

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It's looking like the last few things needed for the initial STR build will be in next week, hope to have the car drivable again by next weekend.

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21Jan/150

Further STR progress

This update will be pic heavy, short on words.  Here's some stuff in no particular order.

With the camber arms installed, left front at full bump (control arm in contact with frame) - no rubbing-

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This is about 1.5" from the above, somewhere around where ride height will be.  These tires are narrower and about 1.5" smaller in diameter than stock so there's lots of room.

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Here's a view at approximately ground level in respect to the car with the corner at full bump.  Very low!

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Parts returned from the powdercoater.  In contrast with the wild colors on the 240sx, went with some understated shades of gray here.   Better than the cheap-ish black paint they all had from the factory.

 

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Here's the engine compartment coming back together, the steel gray powdercoated CAI and strut braces in view.

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A shot of the 34-row oil cooler, which mounts to the driver side in front of the radiator.

 

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This picture shows the modification made to the Kinetix control arm to get it to produce some extra negative camber.  Need to remove about the thickness of the jam nut (10-11mm) to give enough adjustability to get camber where we want it (around -4, +/- 1 degree).

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This last pic shows the Mocal sandwich adapter for the oil cooler.  The later 370z's have the oil/coolant cooler also shown here, and which takes up a bunch of room to make this part of the install really tight in every dimension.

 

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Goal is to make a local practice event in about 4 weeks, and the real season starts up about 4 weeks after that.  Still need to install springs/shocks and get things tuned, plus a few other odds and ends...

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5Jan/150

J-Rho’s Mild STR Build

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Seems Legit

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