{"id":1906,"date":"2013-04-15T23:36:10","date_gmt":"2013-04-16T06:36:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/?p=1906"},"modified":"2013-04-15T23:36:10","modified_gmt":"2013-04-16T06:36:10","slug":"tuning-iteration-2-plans","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/?p=1906","title":{"rendered":"Tuning &#8211; Iteration #2 plans"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s more like iteration #20 given how much changed before the car was first driven&#8230;but, more changes are in order after the El Toro Pro Solo.<\/p>\n<p>One thing that&#8217;s helpful is an external view of the car.\u00a0 Stills and video can tell you a lot.\u00a0 Take for example, the &#8220;crazy, it looks broken!&#8221; -6 degrees camber I started the car off with.\u00a0 Then look at this picture from the San Diego Tour:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/sdTour-2013.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-large wp-image-1907 alignnone\" alt=\"Jason Rhoades STX Camaro at 2013 San Diego National Tour\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/sdTour-2013-1024x682.jpg\" width=\"550\" height=\"366\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/sdTour-2013-1024x682.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/sdTour-2013-300x200.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 550px) 100vw, 550px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is on the low-grip San Diego surface, and the car doesn&#8217;t appear to be that heavily side loaded &#8211; the outside front tire looks to have &#8220;enough&#8221; negative camber, but certainly not too much, from this angle.\u00a0 Sure the inside front is only halfway on the ground, but it&#8217;s so lightly loaded, it&#8217;s not doing much anyway.<\/p>\n<p>So negative camber in the front will stay where it is for now.<\/p>\n<p>Overall the car&#8217;s handling balance felt pretty good on Sunday morning at El Toro.\u00a0 Some of that may have been the higher grip, but in different situations I felt I could reach the limits of the front or rear tires at will.<\/p>\n<p>At least, most of the time.<\/p>\n<p>The car felt bad under braking, like it kept wanting to kill me.\u00a0 My first spin in the car was under braking, and that was after almost spinning once in San Diego, and once earlier that same run, on the brakes.<\/p>\n<p>My initial guess at brakes was done a long long time ago &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/?p=300\">http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/?p=300<\/a>\u00a0(October 2010).\u00a0 I went with\u00a04-piston rear calipers with 3 square inches of piston area, and 6-piston fronts with 5.06 square inches of piston area.<\/p>\n<p>This has\u00a0proven to be too much rear bias.\u00a0 The next calipers I&#8217;ll try are\u00a0smaller rears, still 4-piston but with only 1.6 square inches\u00a0of piston area.\u00a0 That seems like a big change (and it is) but there are a few reasons stacking together-<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The car has too much rear bias now, so it needs some change<\/li>\n<li>The car at the moment has rear tires that are about 5% taller than the fronts, and if I want to try the newer tires, will need to run the same heights front and rear<\/li>\n<li>This is a big change (f:r bias ratio 1.6:1 -&gt; 3:1) but that&#8217;s what you need in the early stages.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Fine tuning comes later &#8211; we are still squarely in the &#8220;coarse&#8221; tuning phase now.<\/p>\n<p>The other planned change was assisted by another external source, this time video, the\u00a0documentary embedded in the previous post (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=meybtwmMxQY\">http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=meybtwmMxQY<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>In it, at the 2:33-2:34 point, you see the car brake for a left-hand transitional type element.\u00a0 The front suspension very quickly goes from somewhat extended (on throttle) to hunkered down.<\/p>\n<p>The speed at which the front suspension compresses there is a function of front damper bump forces.\u00a0 Spring rate comes into play to determine how *far* the suspension compresses, but not so much the rate at which it compresses.<\/p>\n<p>If we recall the shock dyno for the front shocks-<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/P1050415.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-1830\" alt=\"Jason Rhoades Penske 8760 front shock dyno - force vs. velocity\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/P1050415-1024x768.jpg\" width=\"550\" height=\"412\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/P1050415-1024x768.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/P1050415-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 550px) 100vw, 550px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>we&#8217;ll remember, they are extremely light on bump damping.\u00a0 The shocks are just as geometrically disadvantaged in bump as they are in rebound, where we have almost 1100lbs. @2in\/sec.<\/p>\n<p>The soft front bump was another dimension of the &#8220;I don&#8217;t want the car to push&#8221; sentiment that went into its initial setup.<\/p>\n<p>In my experience, a car with too much front bump,\u00a0won&#8217;t\u00a0turn.\u00a0 This was mostly a problem in the old FWD Civic days (nothing FWD really likes to turn), but I found it could even be a problem on the 240sx if front bump was turned up too high on that car&#8217;s Koni 28&#8217;s.<\/p>\n<p>This is maybe the first time I&#8217;ve experienced &#8220;too little&#8221; front bump.\u00a0 But I&#8217;m jumping ahead here &#8211; let&#8217;s look at it\u00a0as a handling issue to solve:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Even after getting the toe mostly corrected, the car feels vague at turn-in, and too loose in transitions.<\/li>\n<li>Turning under braking is deadly!<\/li>\n<li>Mid-corner (steady state) and in corner exit, the car feels great!<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The mid-corner part makes me thing the spring\/bar\/roll center parts of the equation are *close*.\u00a0 Too soon to call anything perfect, but close, a lot closer than shocks.<\/p>\n<p>Referencing again my favorite shock tuning guide: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ozebiz.com.au\/racetech\/theory\/shocktune1.html\">http:\/\/www.ozebiz.com.au\/racetech\/theory\/shocktune1.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The car is way too loose in phase 1 and 3 &#8211; and as rarely happens when looking to shocks, there is a change I can make there, that fixes both &#8211; more front bump!\u00a0\u00a0The no-free-lunch part is it should\u00a0loosen the car a little in phase 3B, but maybe that&#8217;s ok, we&#8217;ll see.<\/p>\n<p>The Camaro has been at full stiff for front bump since Sunday in San Diego, and could use a whole lot more.\u00a0 Again, part of my mantra is that no adjustment should ever be at its limit under normal circumstances, and because of the coarse nature of early tuning, I&#8217;ll be making a big change.<\/p>\n<p>Front shocks\u00a0will be going back to ProParts for a revalve.\u00a0 Rebound is good where it is, but with bump I&#8217;ll be looking for an adjustment range that puts 700lbs @2in\/sec. at the midpoint.\u00a0 That&#8217;s about 7x the bump the front shocks have now.\u00a0 But keep in mind, as it relates to the actual chassis, with motion ratio accounted for, it&#8217;s about the same as having 250lbs. of bump at the rear shock, a more typical force level.<\/p>\n<p>Last bit of tuning in regards to steady-state and the lateral load transfer distribution &#8211; to provide for maximum accelerative capability out of the corner, we want as much weight as possible on the inside rear tire at corner exit.<\/p>\n<p>To do this, requires unloading the inside front tire completely.\u00a0 But you don&#8217;t want it lifting too high, or too often.\u00a0 This is a screen capture from the documentary video, showing the car crossing the finish line under power &#8211; it looks like it just barely for a millisecond, lifted the tire.\u00a0 Didn&#8217;t notice it doing it from the driver&#8217;s seat, and it only did it a tiny bit for a tiny moment, making this\u00a0another indication that this combination of springs and bars is pretty close to how it should be.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/camaro_tire_up.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-1910\" alt=\"Jason Rhoades STX Camaro lifts a front tire\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/camaro_tire_up-1024x599.png\" width=\"550\" height=\"321\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/camaro_tire_up-1024x599.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/camaro_tire_up-300x175.png 300w, http:\/\/www.rhoadescamaro.com\/build\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/camaro_tire_up.png 1277w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 550px) 100vw, 550px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Will probably be a while before I get the car back out again (also need to replace the ignition system &#8211; again) but it should be a lot better next time.\u00a0 Have a lot of time to make up on the rest of the STX field!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s more like iteration #20 given how much changed before the car was first driven&#8230;but, more changes are in order after the El Toro Pro Solo. 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